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the defendant attempted to strangle his
被告试图勒死他的
wife thereafter repeatedly struck her in
妻子，随后
the face with an industrialized Hammer
用工业锤反复击打她的脸
Helen was given a police caution for
海伦因普通袭击而受到警方警告
common assault Helen was capable of
海伦有能力
being violent in my opinion she suffers
暴力在我看来她遭受了
from personal the S she became White the
个人的伤害她变得白人
more it went on the more it was just me
越多 事情越发展，
in that box and never would have
盒子里就只剩下我一个人了，我从来不
believed I was capable of doing this I
相信自己能做到这一点，我
actually feel very sorry for him he's
真的很为他感到难过，他
being portrayed as the the nice guy but
被描绘成一个好人，但
why can't he be because he just killed
为什么他不能呢，因为他刚刚杀了
someone can we trust our justice
人 我们能相信我们的司法
system to find out we're reenacting an
系统发现我们正在重演一
entire real murder trial you chose to
整场真实的谋杀案审判吗你选择
use this Hammer yes word for word with
用这把锤子是的逐字逐句地用
actors to aim the shots and basically
演员瞄准射击并基本上
bash her brains in she's still shouting
砸碎了她的脑袋她还在喊叫
and I got to put my hand over her mouth
而我必须伸出手 捂住她的嘴，
I don't know I don't know why I put my
我不知道，我不知道为什么我要
hands down her throat instead but just
把手伸进她的喉咙，但
as in a real Court the jurors are
就像在真正的法庭上一样，陪审员是
Ordinary People oh God I just feel so
普通人，哦天哪，我只是觉得很
sorry for I believe that there are two
遗憾，我相信事情有
sides to every story I don't care what
两面性 我不在乎
she say and in this groundbreaking
她说了什么，在这个开创性的
experiment there is a key
实验中 是一个关键的
difference there isn't just one jewelry
区别，不只是一件珠宝，
there's two both unaware of each other y
有两个彼此都不知道对方的存在，
I wanted to give them a hug is it
我想给他们一个拥抱，这是
crocodile tears or not I don't want to
鳄鱼的眼泪还是不是我不想
do this
anymore they'll watch the same
再这样做了，他们会看同样的
trial but will they reach the same
审判，但会 他们达成了相同的
verdict do you find the defendant guilty
判决，你认为被告有罪
or not guilty of
还是无罪？
no
hello
你好，
hello don't forget the exercises come on
你好，别忘了练习来吧，是
oh yeah got to our exercises it's day
的，开始练习吧，这是
five in the trial of John rise
约翰审判的第五天
so far the jurors have been hearing his
到目前为止，陪审员们一直在听他的
defense set out their
辩护
case I think John had the patience of a
陈述，我认为约翰有圣人的耐心
saint and I think that's where his
，我认为这就是他的
downfall is because what he needed to do
失败之处，因为他需要做的
was deal with it earlier on before it
是在事情发展到最后阶段之前尽早处理它。
got to the to the point that it did the
事实确实如此，
evidence that's presented to us paints
呈现给我们的证据将
him as a really nice guy who's never
他描绘成一个非常好的人，他
done anything like this before who had
以前从未做过这样的事，他
an absolute moment today it's the turn
今天表现得非常出色，今天轮到
of the prosecution to examine
检方对他进行审查了，
him
I'm on the fence one minute my legs are
我前一分钟还在犹豫 腿
on one side of the fence and next minute
在一侧 栅栏，下一分钟
they're on the other side but I'm on top
他们就在另一边，但此刻我在
of the fence at the moment I don't think
栅栏顶上，我认为
people realize the pressure that the
人们没有意识到
jury's put under even when you go home
陪审团承受的压力，即使你
at the end of the day it's and when you
在一天结束后回家，这也是 当你
try and shut off it's still
试图关闭它时它仍然
there we've just had the defense now it
存在我们刚刚有了辩护现在它
gives the prosecution a chance to pick
给了控方一个机会来挑出
holes in that story and prove that that
这个故事中的漏洞并证明这个
story wasn't true I feel a headache
故事不是真的我感觉头疼
coming
on oh I need a
哦我需要一支
cigarette
香烟
you good no not too bad good let's see
你 很好不，还不错很好让我们看看
what today unfolds yeah I can't even
今天会发生什么是的，我甚至无法
think what we're going to
想象我们会
hear I really do feel for John and I
听到什么我真的为约翰感到难过，我有点能
kind of feel exactly what he's been
体会到他所经历的一切，
going through I felt like he had
我觉得他
unconditional love for this
无条件地爱着我 这位
lady did it come to the realization that
女士意识到
she actually just really doesn't love me
她其实并不爱我，
and then he
然后他
flipped yeah I honestly feel that I am a
转过身来，是的，我真的觉得我是一个
female version of
女性版本，
on that's how strongly I can associate
这就是我能
with him he's very
与他产生强烈共鸣的原因，他很
naive but he wanted to be loved I would
天真，但他想成为 我
have liked to have said that in any
本来想说，无论在什么
circumstance that I was pushed to I
情况下，我 我
would never murder someone
永远不会谋杀某人，
however I could categorically say I
但是我可以明确地说我
don't know because I haven't been pushed
不知道​​，因为我还没有被逼
to that
到那个
limit
极限，
right we need our listening ears on now
我们现在需要倾听
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children the defense's case is that JN
孩子们，辩方的案子是 JN
didn't intend to kill his wife with a
没有' 不打算用锤子杀死他的妻子，
hammer instead he lost
而是他失去了
control the loss of control law was
控制权，失去控制权的法律
developed really for women who were
实际上是为
suffered domestic violence and ended up
遭受家庭暴力并最终
killing their abusive partner in the
在一时冲动下杀死虐待伴侣的妇女制定的，
spur of the moment so it very much plays
所以它非常
into someone being a victim for quite a
具有 一个人在很长一段时间内成为受害者，
long period of time
snapping loss of control has to be based
突然失去控制，必须
on triggers which the law
基于法律规定的触发因素，其中
stipulates one of them is that you're
之一就是你
suffering extraordinary
受到了极大的
provocation Mr risdale I'd like to ask
挑衅，里斯代尔先生，我想
you some questions on behalf of the
代表
prosecution
first of all we've heard a lot about
首先，我们听到了很多关于
Helen uh I want to ask you a little bit
海伦的事情，我想问你一些
about
关于
yourself you were prior to marrying her
你自己的问题，在和她结婚之前，你是否
aware that there were aspects of her
意识到她的
personality her behavior which you say
性格和行为
could hurt you yes you didn't have to
可能会伤害到你，是的，你没有意识到。 你不必
marry Helen you chose to that's correct
娶海伦，你选择娶她，这是正确的。
you've told us that you knew she had
告诉我们，你知道她有
problems you've told us that you wanted
问题，你告诉我们，你想
to help help her yes you have had
帮助她，是的，你们
arguments in relationships before of
以前在恋爱中有过争吵，
course yes and uh when those arguments
当然是的，当这些争吵
take place if things aren't going right
发生时，如果事情进展不顺利，
you are able to finish those
你能够结束 那些
relationships you're you're not stuck in
关系你没有陷入
any relationship in which you don't want
任何你不想陷入的关系中，
to be are you no absolutely not that
你绝对没有，
includes a marriage perfectly possible
包括婚姻完全有可能
to split up when things don't work to
分手当事情不顺利的时候
get a
divorce I can like I said yeah
离婚我可以喜欢我 说是的，
I'm trying to make a point I'm sure you
我想说明一个观点，我相信你会
agree with it but just to help you if
同意这一点，但只是为了帮助你，如果
you can't stand the heat get out of the
你受不了热气，就离开厨房
kitchen
right well let's get to the real Crux of
吧，让我们谈谈这个案件的真正关键，
the case then can we so what happened
那么我们可以 那么星期一下午你家里发生了什么事，
inside your house on that Monday
afternoon all right she is not
她不是
deliberately targeting your items in
故意针对你的物品
order to damage them point I first
来损坏它们，我第一次
entered the house I think she's been
进屋的时候，我觉得她
very careless careless well Fair enough
很粗心，粗心大意，好吧，好吧，
um but therefore is this is not
但这不是
malicious deliberate damage in order to
恶意的故意破坏 为了
try and wind you up I think when I first
激怒你，我想当我第一次
walk into the house that's probably what
走进房子时，情况可能就是
it what it is but if she continues to do
这样，但如果她继续
it after I've asked I've asked of her
这样做 我已经问过她好
several times and in a reasonable way to
几次了，而且是以合理的方式
stop then well then perhaps it isn't and
停止的，那么也许不是，
by you criticizing her you're provoking
你批评她是在激怒
her and risking putting her into an even
她，而且
worse mood if she heard it as criticism
如果她听到的话，她的心情可能会更糟 作为批评，
that's not how it was
这不是我的
meant I just wanted her to to stop like
本意，我只是希望她停止，就像
I said I was aware of her sensitivity to
我说的，我知道她对批评很敏感，
criticism I would always trying to be
我总是试着
kind of careful about how I put things
小心翼翼地
to her the fact is your behavior in
向她提出事情，事实上你的行为
itself was causing her to become even
本身就是 让她变得更加
more
upset you go outside at that point and
沮丧，你那时出去了，
and she's starting to throw
她开始扔
cups so so rather than go out and stay
杯子，所以
out you decided to go back
你决定回去，而不是出去呆在
in oh yeah I
外面哦是的，我
just I decided to go and apologize my
只是我决定去道歉我的
inent ition was to calm situation down
意图是 冷静下来，
what were you uh apologizing for for
你为什么
calling her selfish but of course it
说她自私，为什么道歉，但当然
didn't work did it she then you you tell
没有用，是吗，然后你告诉
us broke some other things precisely
我们她弄坏了其他东西，
what did she Break by all means uh show
她到底弄坏了什么，一定要给
us with reference to the
我们看
photographs well there's uh tell us
照片 嗯，请先告诉我们
which photograph you're looking at by by
你正在看哪张照片，通过
its number first so we can look at the
它的编号，这样我们 可以看看
same one please 019
同一个，请 019
uh yes
呃是的
0019 um uh and yes you can see there's
0019 嗯呃，是的，你可以看到有
those plates involved uh yes mhm the the
那些盘子，嗯，嗯，
French dresser is that what you call it
法式梳妆台，这就是你所说的，
yeah yeah the the dresser yeah yes so
是的，梳妆台，是的，所以
still lots of cups and plates and mugs
仍然有很多杯子和盘子和 杯子
there aren't they um yeah this room is
在那里，不是吗嗯，是的，这个房间
not trashed for its Crockery glasses and
没有被破坏，因为它的陶器玻璃杯，
they're like all all knocked over and
它们就像所有的都被打翻和
smashed everywhere at all would you
摔碎了一样，到处都是，你
agree with that well my impression at
同意吗，我当时的印象
the time was there was a lot more than
是，那里远不止这些
that being broken but from what I can
被打破，但从我所
see from this there's maybe like dozen
看到的，可能有十几个
things that been broken it wasn't that
东西被打破了，并不是那么
serious was it no I mean but you see
严重，不是吗，我的意思是，但你看
this is the
这就是
point even though it's not that
重点，即使它不是那么
serious you effectively tell us that you
严重，你实际上告诉我们你
lost your
失去了你的
control yes at the point she started
控制是的，在她开始
throwing things this was what I remember
扔东西的时候，我记得
has just been like it been extremely
当时的情况非常
dramatic and when I looked at her there
戏剧化，当我看着她时，
was what I can remember is like a look
我记得
on her face that i' never seen before
她脸上有一种我从未见过的表情。
she was she was wild there was something
in her eyes and on her face that really
她的眼睛里有某种东西， 她脸上的表情真的
frightened me and I thought seemed to me
吓坏了我，我觉得
like this was much more dramatic than
这
than than a few broken plates the fact
比几个破碎的盘子更具戏剧性，
is it also was perfectly open to you at
事实上，当时你完全可以知道，
that point as you had done on a number
就像
of previous occasions you tell us that
你之前说过的很多次一样 那天
morning to simply walk out of the room
早上我们只是走出房间，
yeah I I suppose I could have done but
是的，我想我可以做到，但是是
yes but you
的，但是你
didn't I
没有，我
didn't
没有
oh that was intense it it was right was
哦，那很激烈，那是对的，
it how did you feel about that I think
你对此有何感想，我认为
the prosecution is doing a grand job I
检察机关做得很棒，我
think the prosecutor words the questions
认为检察官提出的问题
quite confusing I think he's great I
很令人困惑，我认为他很棒，我
think he's doing it on purpose he's
认为他是故意这样做的，他
trying to get in his head and trying to
试图进入他的脑海，试图把
M him
他
up everything we've heard today we
今天听到的一切都搞砸，我们
already knew that when prosecu presents
已经知道了 检察官
you in a certain way it can sway your
以某种方式呈现给你，它可以左右你的
mind
思想，
yeah do you feel like when you in that
是的，你是否觉得当你在
rage you should be held accountable for
愤怒的时候，你应该为
your actions cuz that's still you
你的行为负责，因为那仍然是你在
carrying those actions out right yeah
执行这些行动，对吧，是的，
but it depends on the circumstance you
但这取决于你的情况
don't just claim like oh I had no
只是声称我无法
control over my body like on a puppet or
控制自己的身体
something here in the prosecution
questioning John
today he's had nine months talking with
今天，在控方审问约翰时，他花了九个月的时间与
a solicitor like kind of prepare for the
律师交谈，为审判做准备，
trial to see he can get the best verdict
看他能否为自己争取到最好的判决，
possible for
himself he said he knew that him being
他说他知道他在
there was aggravating her even more so
那里让她更加恼火 更
surely he would try and remove himself
确切地说，他会试图摆脱
from that situation you're looking at it
这种情况，你把事情看
too black and white cuz you're young but
得太黑白分明了，因为你还年轻，但
no I've been in your position because I
我曾经也处于你的境地，因为我
hadn't educated myself for to opinion
还没有接受过教育，无法接受以居高临下的态度
patronizing him no I'm not now he's
对待他，我 我现在不是，他还
young though isn't he he's young he
年轻，不是吗，他还年轻，他
hasn't actually lived
还没有真正活过，
aive bless him olle is the exact same
愿上帝保佑他，olle
age as my son he's not long come out of
和我儿子一样大，他刚从学校毕业不久，
school I've had children I've I've had
我有孩子，我有
jobs I've got a mortgage I've had all
我有工作，我有抵押贷款，我有所有的
that experience that I'm hoping will
经验，我希望这些经验会对
help me there are other sides to a story
我有帮助，事情还有其他方面，
there are mitigating factors it's
有缓解因素，它
exploded because of you're not being
爆炸了，因为你没有被
listened to so there's a lack of respect
倾听，所以缺乏尊重
and then you end up shouting because
然后你开始大喊大叫，因为
you're trying to get your point across
你试图表达你的观点，
and you're saying things you don't even
但你却说出了你本意没有说出口的话。
mean I think people underestimate me but
我觉得人们低估了我，但
even though I am the youngest one there
尽管我是那里最年轻的一个，
I do still feel like my words do have
我仍然觉得我的话很有
value you know we're all entitled to our
价值，你知道我们 我们都有权表达
own
自己的
opinions the prosecution now moves on to
观点，控方现在转向
John's State of Mind during the killing
约翰在杀人过程中的心理状态，
yes uh Mr uh Thomas I I think we can
是的，呃，托马斯先生，我想我们可以
resume at stake The crucial distinction
继续讨论
between loss of control and just acting
失去控制和仅仅
out of Rage or
因为愤怒或
anger when you are considering loss of
愤怒而采取行动之间的关键区别，当你考虑 失去
control it's somebody who literally is
控制是指某人
not in control of their body at that
当时无法控制自己的身体，
time you can kind of oppose that to
你可以将其与
being very very very angry and being in
非常非常愤怒以及
control of what you're
控制自己正在
doing if the prosecution is able to
做的事情相对立，如果控方能够
prove it was just anger then loss of
证明那只是愤怒 然后失去
control is not open to the
控制权就不再由陪审团决定了，
jury
the r
r
continues at this point you were really
继续说，此时你真的很
angry weren't you I I don't have any
生气，不是吗？我
recollection of how I was feeling or or
记不起当时的感受或
thinking at the time um go to the
想法了，
interview please three lines down uh
请说三行
from the bottom you refer to the anger
从底部往下，你指的是愤怒
really
exploding um in your words not
爆炸嗯用你的话不是
mine I'm just um
我的话我只是嗯
I'm trying to find it
我试图找到它
sorry you I said in this interview I was
对不起你我在这次采访中说过我
really angry
真的很生气
yes she was just shouting horrible
是的她只是对我喊可怕的
things at me and I wanted to
话我想
stop I I I never kind of lose my temper
停下来我我我从来没有
with her like that so I got frustrated
那样对她发脾气，所以我
with her I even shouted at her in the
对她感到沮丧，我过去甚至对她大喊大叫，
past but it always came from a positive
但总是出于积极的想法，
place but that day something different
但那天发生了一些不同的事情，
happened and it came from a really
它来自一个非常消极的
negative place I I was angry and I
地方，我很生气，我
wanted to
想
stop I
停下来我
was angry I said that my emphasis I said
很生气我说我的重点我说
that yes yes so but I that's that's not
是的，是的，但
what I remember you said it twice to the
我记得你对警察说了两次
police now being being angry during the
现在在事件过程中很生气
course of this incident and being really
而且真的很
angry the fact is you lost your temper
生气事实上你输了 你的脾气
didn't you that's not how I remember it
不是吗？我记得不是这样的，
and and this is why is it not you
这就是为什么你不是
certainly deliberately started to
故意开始
strangle her didn't you I put my hands
勒死她吗？我用手
around her throat you saw Helen change
掐住她的喉咙，你看到海伦
color and you told that to the police
变色了，然后你把这件事告诉了警察
didn't you I remember her face being a
你不记得她的脸色
different
不同吗？
color
it's pretty obvious isn't it that she is
很明显，不是吗？ 正在
changing color because you are
变色，因为你
compressing her neck causing injury and
挤压了她的脖子，造成了伤害，对
causing harm to her at that time aren't
她造成了伤害，那时
you do you want a a break yes uh I'll
你不想休息一下吗，是的呃我
I'll I'll take a break I've no I've no
会休息一下，我没有，我没有
problem with that but I mean we have
问题在于，但我的意思是我们已经
come to the crucial part and I'm afraid
到了关键部分，恐怕
you do have to answer these these
你必须回答这些
questions they're the ones the jury will
问题，这些问题是陪审团
want the answer
想要的答案。
to Mr Thomas I think we can
托马斯先生，我想我们可以
resume
继续了，
Mr Riser we were we were talking to you
赖泽先生 我们正在和你
discussing uh the moment that you say
讨论你说
you lost control so when you went
你失去控制的那一刻，所以当你
towards Helen you told us earlier to
走向海伦时你早些时候告诉我们要
stop her throwing things you were still
阻止她扔东西你仍然
in control I I I don't know yes I I I
在控制之中我我我不知道是的我我我
don't know actually but but you were
实际上不知道但是 但你
really angry at the time I I don't
当时真的很生气，我不
remember being really angry but there
记得当时你真的很生气，但
are definitely things you do remember
你肯定记得一些事情，是
yes
的，
the first thing is you do remember
第一件事是你记得用手
putting your hands around Helen's throat
掐住海伦的喉咙，
I do you you describe her as going a a
我记得你描述她
purpley Kind of Blue I remember that
脸色发紫 蓝色，我记得这个
color and of course what you did then
颜色，当然你当时做的
was
就是
stop didn't you I don't I don't remember
停下来，不是吗？ 不记得
well well you didn't strangle her
了，你没有勒死她
causing her death were agreed on that
导致她死亡，我们同意这一点，是
aren we yes yes is it not the reason
的，是的，这不是
that you stopped didn't continue with
你停下来没有继续
your strangulation and killing her then
勒死和杀死她的原因，
is
because you were still in control of
因为你仍然控制着
what you were doing and at that
你当时在做什么，
point that is why you were able to
这就是你能够
stop I don't
停下来的原因，我不
remember
记得了
defendants will often
被告​​经常会
say that they can't
说他们不
remember I think if you can't remember
记得了，我认为如果你不记得了，
then you're not giving an
那么你就没有给出
explanation and most juries would be
解释 大多数陪审团都会
troubled by
对此感到困扰，
that though of course there'll be
当然，也会出现
situations where not being able to
无法
remember might actually add Credence to
记住的情况，这实际上可能会增加
what they're saying so for example in
他们所说的话的可信度，例如在
loss of control someone says I can't
失去控制的情况下，有人说我不
remember what happened happened or I
记得发生了什么，或者 我
blacked
昏了
out that might add real weight to what
过去，这可能会给他们要说的话增加真正的分量，
they're going to
say to find out more about John
为了更多地了解约翰·
ryedale's alleged Amnesia the
赖代尔所谓的失忆症，
prosecution asked an expert to assess
控方在审判开始前请了一位专家对他进行了评估
him before the trial
began uh Dr antio sax a consultant
呃，安蒂奥·萨克斯博士，一位
forensic psychiatrist interviewed John
法医精神病学顾问，对约翰·里斯代尔进行了采访
risdale for a total of 4 and a half
总共 4 个半
hours her conclusions included
小时她的结论 包括
the
following Mr risale has no past history
以下内容 risale 先生没有精神病史
of mental illness there was no evidence
of depression or psychosis there was no
抑郁症或精神病的证据 没有
evidence of Personality
人格障碍的证据
Disorder dissociative Amnesia is the
分离性失忆症是指对
loss of memory of important usually
重要事件的记忆丧失，通常是
recent events too extensive to be due to
最近发生的事件，记忆范围太广，不可能是由于
forgetfulness or fatigue such Amnesia is
健忘或疲劳造成的，例如失忆症
usually centered on traumatic events it
通常集中在创伤事件上，
is usually partial and selective the
通常是部分性和选择性的，
extent of the Amnesia will often vary
失忆的程度往往会有所不同，
but there is a persistent Common Core
但有一个持久的共同核心，
which cannot be recalled in the waking
在清醒状态下无法回忆起来，
State Dr sax acknowledged that it is a
萨克斯博士承认，
matter for the jury to decide whether
由陪审团来决定
the explanation for any Amnesia is
任何失忆症的解释都是
genuine or due to willful conduct on the
真实的，还是由于被告人的故意行为造成的
part of an accused person
oh go help with some Buckets of
哦，去帮忙拿几桶
Blood don't know what I
血不知道我
want I think had he been a big liar we
想要什么，我想如果他是个大骗子，我们
would have all come in here and said he
都会来这里说 他
was lying we're not stupid I don't trust
撒谎了，我们并不傻，我不相信
anything he's trying to make us believe
他试图让我们相信的任何事情，
that he was fully in a red
他完全是赤裸裸的
M when people are good at lying they mix
。当人们善于撒谎时，他们会把
the truth and lies incredibly well
真相和谎言混合在一起，
to to be a good liar you have to be good
成为一个好的骗子，你必须 要成为一名优秀的
Weaver you have to be able to knit
织工，你必须会编织 把所有
things together into a plausible story I
事情拼凑成一个可信的故事，我
was just saying that the Ultimate
只是说，
Defense to anything would be I don't
任何事情的终极辩护都是我不
remember and no one can prove whether
记得了，没有人能证明
you did or not just because he doesn't
你是否做过，只是因为他不
remember doing it doesn't mean he didn't
记得做过这件事，并不意味着他没有做过
do it people lie on the stand he could
人们在证人席上撒谎，他可能在
be
lying but we don't know that and we
撒谎，但我们不知道，我们也
don't have any evidence to the contrary
没有任何相反的证据，
that's the point but what we know
这就是重点，但我们知道
there's too many blanks because he he's
有太多空白，因为他
just like I don't remember I can't stand
就像我不记得了一样 我不能站在
here and say I'm going to listen to the
这里说我要听一个
man that's just bumped off his
刚刚杀死
wife the whole blacking out thing that I
妻子的男人讲述整个昏迷过程，我
don't believe that one little bit he
不相信他
literally remembers every little thing
真的记得每件小事，
even down to the color of her lips he
甚至包括颜色 她的嘴唇他
remembers a lot it's not lot of control
记得很多，但控制力不强，
he doesn't remember it in the moment he
他记不清了，就在他
does he remembers picking off the ham
记得的那一刻，他记得从桌子上拿起火腿，
off the table he remembers going onto
他记得扑到
her strangling her getting on top of her
她身上，勒死她，压在她身上，把
the plate on the floor that he remembers
盘子放在地板上，他 记得
quite a lot of things like he remembered
很多事情，比如他记得
it but didn't know why he was doing she
某件事，但不知道自己为什么要这么做 她
was wild he just snapped and he doesn't
很疯狂，他只是突然发作，他不
know why how or when it actually
知道为什么，如何或何时真正
happened he just bit like that you know
发生，他只是那样咬了口，你知道
the man s Camp has definitely diminished
这个男人的阵营今天肯定有所减弱，
a little bit
today I was actually really
我实际上真的很
surprised nobody deserves what happened
惊讶没有人应该遭受发生
to Helen in any way shape or form but
在海伦身上的事情 不管怎样，但从
genuinely from seeing it all and
看到和
listening to all I do think he can't
听到这一切，我确实认为他不
remember I feel terrible for for him I
记得了，我为他感到难过，我
do trust John yeah could tell he wasn't
相信约翰，是的，可以看出他没有
lying the gave a letter into his house
撒谎，他把一封信送到了他家，
he put a roof over her head when when no
他放了一个 当没有
one else was there for
其他人在
her it's really
她身边时，她头上的屋顶真的很
sad I'm get a bit emotional there didn't
伤心，我有点情绪化，
he did everything that he could to help
他不是已经尽一切努力帮助
her and at the end of the day you either
她了吗？到最后你要么
want to be helped or you don't Rel I'm
想要得到帮助，要么 你不相信我很
sorry but it doesn't come across to me
抱歉，但在我看来，它
as an animal or one that isn't caring
不是一个动物，也不是一个不关心
and loving I wish I had someone that
和爱护的人，我希望我有一个人
would have done as much as he did for
for me when I needed it you're okay yeah
在我需要的时候能为我做和他一样多的事情 你还好吗，是的，是
yeah I'm fine yeah yeah I'm fine it's
的，我很好，是的，我很好，
just yeah that's you know quite
只是，是的，你知道，这很
relevant there's a lot of stuff in the
相关，有很多东西 在这种
case that I can relate to ladies first
情况下，我可以首先与女士们产生共鸣，
thank you very much
非常感谢
Neil see you
尼尔，
later I have found today
待会儿见，我发现今天的
hard is hit home a lot today
困难今天给人留下了很深的印象
you just don't know what someone's been
你只是不知道某人经历了什么
through everyone's got a different
每个人都有不同的
story Master main
故事 主
room
卧室
kitchen stroke Diner stroke where no
厨房冲程餐厅冲程，没有任何
culinary skills happen
烹饪技巧，
whatsoever and then you've got where the
然后你就得到了
magic happens I suppose one would say
魔法发生的地方，我想有人会说
not a lot but it's mine
不多，但这是我的，
I was really blessed as a child like I
我小时候真的很幸运，就像我
grew up with like a really really loving
长大后有一个非常非常 爱
family family Christmases like family
家人，家人的圣诞节就像家庭
holidays my dad died like 3 years ago so
假期，我爸爸三年前去世了，
that was like probably one of the
那可能是
hardest situations I've ever been in I
我经历过的最艰难的情况之一，我
love my dad to bits we were really close
非常爱我爸爸，我们非常亲密，
I really miss him was just alcohol that
我真的很想念他，
he just was addicted to and and he just
他只是喝了酒 上瘾了，他就是
couldn't couldn't beat it my dad would
戒不掉，我爸爸
drink neat vodka out of the bottle all
每天都会直接喝瓶装的纯伏特加，
day every
day we gave him all the help that we
我们给了他一切
could and he just couldn't you couldn't
可能的帮助，但他就是戒不掉，你不能
use
使用
it when someone you deeply love it's
它 当你深爱着某人时，
just you're watching them destroy
你只能看着他们
themselves it's frustrating it's hurtful
自我毁灭 令人沮丧，这很伤人，
it you you blame
你责怪
yourself cheers know how I felt when my
自己，欢呼，知道我
dad was at the peak of his addiction and
爸爸上瘾到顶峰时我的感受，以及
how my dad treated me and the rest of my
我爸爸如何对待我和我的
family sometimes your patients will wear
家人，有时你的病人会对
a bit th with them because you're like
他们有点不满，因为你就像
why can't you just sort it
为什么你不能把事情解决
out I have empathy towards John because
掉？我对约翰深表同情，因为
John might have been obsessed with Helen
约翰可能迷恋海伦，
but in a way I loved my dad just as much
但在某种程度上，我爱我的父亲就像
as John loved
Helen could John have walked away yeah
约翰爱海伦一样，约翰能离开吗？是的，
100% he could have walked away but he
他 100% 可以离开 但他
didn't want to cuz he loved her why
不想，因为他爱她。为什么
wouldn't you want to help someone that
你不想帮助
you love why wouldn't you want to help
你爱的人。为什么你不想帮助
someone that you're obsessed with if you
你痴迷的人。如果你
can make that person's life better why
可以让那个人的生活变得更好。为什么
would you walk
你要走？
away the prosecution and the defense
控方和辩方
both agree that John risale first
都同意，约翰·里塞尔首先
strangled his wife Helen then killed her
勒死了他的妻子海伦，然后
with a
hammer when arrested John claimed he
在被捕时用锤子杀死了她。约翰声称他
wasn't sure where he got the hammer from
不确定他从哪里得到锤子，
but he thought he grabbed it from the
但他认为他从桌子上抓起了它
table in the room where they
。 他们
argued loss of control I would have
争论的房间失去控制 本来以为
thought most juries would see as
大多数陪审团会认为这只是
momentary and something that would
暂时的，会
overcome someone and then dissipate
克服一个人，然后
quite quickly however the prosecution
很快消散，然而，控方的
case is that after strangling Helen John
案子是，在勒死海伦之后，约翰
left the room and went to his Workshop
离开了房间，去
outside to fetch the hammer that killed
外面的工作室拿杀死
her if for example the weapon that was
她的锤子，如果例如 凶器被
used as far far away from where the
用在离
crime was committed leaving a room going
犯罪现场很远的地方，离开一个房间，
down a corridor searching for something
沿着走廊寻找某物，
bringing it back that case is no longer
把它带回来，这个案子
looking so
看起来不再那么
strong I think we can
有力，我想我们可以
resume Mr Riso we were discussing uh the
继续，里索先生，我们在讨论呃，
moment that you say you lost control
你 说你失去了控制，
whatever was going through your mind a
不管你脑子里在想什么，
decision was made by you to get some
你决定拿
form of weapon to strike Helen with
某种武器来打海伦，
yes yes for whatever
是的，是的，无论出于什么
reason you chose to use this
原因，你选择使用这把
Hammer yes a hammer that is used in the
锤子，是的，车间使用的锤子，
workshop yes
是的，
it would be unusual for you to have that
它会 你家里有锤子是不寻常的，
hammer in the
house would be unusual for it for it to
be in the house but what you told today
但你今天说的
was this that that your memory is
是，你的记忆很
sketchy effectively all you remember is
模糊，实际上你只记得有
that at one point the hammer was on the
一次锤子在
metal table in the dining room and you
餐厅里的金属桌子，你
picked it up yeah yes but you're not
捡到了它，是的，但你
able to say from where that hammer came
无法说出那把锤子是从哪里来的
uh whether it was already in there or
呃，不管它是已经在那里还是
from elsewhere because you say that your
从别处来的，因为你说你
mind is blank on the issue
对这个问题一片空白，
yes is there any possibility that during
是的，有没有可能在
the incident after you put your hands
你把手
around Heaven's throat that you've
放在天堂的喉咙上之后，你
actually gone out into the yard and then
实际上已经走进了院子，然后
come back in again before attacking her
回来后再
with the
用
hammer I'm not sure maybe maybe I
锤子攻击她，我不确定也许也许我
did is it possible you went outside to
做到了，你有可能出去
get the hammer
拿锤子吗，
itself
that's
有
possible I don't remember I thought I I
可能，我不记得了，我
thought the hammer was inside the house
以为锤子在屋子里，
maybe maybe it
也许也许它
wasn't obviously with t being present at
显然，
the house when this was going
事情发生的时候他不在家，
on we've had to speak to
我们必须和
him I heard a crashing sound on the
他谈谈，我听到混凝土上传来一声撞击声，
concrete then I saw
然后我看到
John he walked across this uh side door
约翰，他穿过
of the house back to the uh
房子的侧门，回到了呃
Foundry as he did this he looked at me
Foundry 这样做的时候，他看着我，
and he was uh shaking his head and uh
然后摇着头，
and holding his hand up
举起手，
um as is if to say like don't
好像在说不要
ask
问，
um maybe about 3 or 4 minutes later um
大约 3 到 4 分钟后，
he came walking in he and and he just
他走了进来，然后 他只是
told me that he he just said that's it I
告诉我，他只是说，就这样，
I've killed
我杀了
her have everyone to
她让每个人都
know he he he's the most reliable person
知道，他是我认识的最可靠的人，
I know so I mean I'm not here to try and
所以我的意思是，我不是来试图
catch you out or anything if you have
抓住你的，或者如果你有的
that I accept it I don't know but I I
话，我接受它，我不知道，但我
don't remember clearly so you don't
不知道 记得很清楚，所以你
remember exactly but it could be that
记不清了，但可能是
you went and got the hammer from The
你去
Foundry am I right in saying that I mean
铸造厂拿了锤子，我说得对吗？我的意思是，
yeah that would make sense
是的，这很有道理，
but
但
okay do you remember as T says you did
你还记得吗，正如T说的，你
uh leaving the house returning shortly
离开了家
afterwards irrespective of whether you
不管你
had a
有没有
hammer I don't remember that no can you
锤子，我都不记得了，你能
think of any
想到
reason why you might do that no no
你这样做的理由吗？不，不，
they're
他们
saying that's when you went to get the
说那是你去拿
hammer I've spent 9 months trying to
锤子的时候，我花了 9 个月的时间试图
come up with an answer I understand that
想出一个答案，我知道
I haven't got but you you can't remember
我还没有，但你不记得了，
I can't remember that's
我不记得了，
okay I remember going from the house to
没关系，我记得白天从家里去
the houndry and Back Again lots of times
猎犬场又回来很多次，
during the day yes we're talking about
是的，我们在说话 关于
very specific time matter of three or
非常具体的时间问题，
four minutes I don't
三四分钟，我不
and I will ask you now please to look at
，我现在请你看一下
the computer AED image of her
电脑 AED 图像显示她的
face this heavy industrial
脸部，这把重型工业
Hammer was aimed directly at the
锤直接对准了她的
forehead these were aimed Shots by a man
前额，这些枪都是由一个
who knew how to wield a metal bashing
知道如何挥舞金属
Hammer weren't they so by deliberately
锤的男人瞄准的，不是吗？故意
hitting her in this way you are intent
这样击打她，你是
intentionally causing her death aren't
故意让她死亡 不是吗？
you I don't ever remember wanting to
我不记得你想
hurt my
伤害我的
wife you may have acted in anger but you
妻子。你可能在愤怒中行动，但
certainly acted under control by your
你的行为肯定是在控制之下的，
actions didn't you you see you remember
不是吗？你看，你记得
hitting I don't understand you do
打过她，我不明白，你
remember hitting her I remember don't
记得打过她，我 记得吗？我
you I remember hitting her once in the
记得我用锤子敲了她一次
head with a hammer yes yes so at least
头，是的，所以至少
that part is within your memory yes
那部分在你的记忆里，是的，
you remember bits remember her going
你记得一些片段，记得她
blue you remember hitting her once on
脸色发青，你记得敲了她一次
the head and then the next thing you
头，然后你
remember is just seeing
记得的下一件事 只是看到
T your phrase was to him that's it I've
T 你对他说的话就是这样我
killed
杀了
her in other words you knew exactly what
她换句话说你很清楚
you'd just done I knew i' hit her
你刚刚做了什么我知道我打了她 是
yeah you were in control the whole time
的你一直在控制着一切
weren't you no it started off by by
不是吗 一开始
trying to strangle her and then deciding
试图勒死她，然后决定
to do a proper job which involved
做一件正经事，包括
walking out to get this great big hammer
走出去拿一把大锤子
to aim the shots and basically bash her
瞄准 开枪，然后把她的脑袋砸烂，
brains
in that's what you did quite
这就是你
deliberately I I don't remember walking
故意为之，我不记得像
out the house as you
你描述的那样走出了房子，
describe I certainly did hit my wife in
我确实用锤子砸了我妻子的
the head with a hammer no further
头，没有其他
questions thank you
问题了，谢谢你
that timeline about the hammer the fact
关于锤子的时间表，事实
that tors him go out after he heard the
听到盘子里的声音后，他出去了，
plate smch that changes a lot that
这改变了许多，那把
hammer was in The
锤子在
Foundry ah come on one one person said
铸造厂啊，来吧，一个人说
it and then that's it he's going to make
了，然后就是这样，他会把
the narrative to go more to murder
故事讲得更像谋杀，
that's his job how is that a narrative
这是他的工作，怎么样 叙述，
that's a fact that's a statement wait
这是事实，这是陈述，
one second no one has seen him pick up
等一下，没有人看到他拿起
the hammer and go back to her no one
锤子回到她身边，没有人
seen that why would he be going to The
看到他为什么要去
Foundry that hammer like John was saying
铸造厂，那把锤子就像约翰说的那样，
is very unusual item to have in his
是非常不寻常的物品 他的
house and the only proper place it would
家，唯一合适的地方
be would be in the found the Smashing
就是在发生砸死事件的那个地方，
happened at the time with the
当时还发生过
strangulation okay then after she's
勒死事件，好吧，那么在她
unconscious why would he have been going
昏迷之后，他为什么要去
to The Foundry at but yeah you're making
铸造厂，但是是的，你
it up now we're not too sure if he went
现在在编造，我们 不太确定他是否
to The Foundry to get the hammer why
去过 The Foundry 拿到锤子
would he why else would he have gone
他为什么要去
there listen to what you're saying sit
那里听你说的话坐下
down sit down sit down for a second sit
坐下坐一会儿坐
down for a
second we're not too sure if he
一会儿我们不太确定他是否
strangled her by then we're not too sure
勒死了她到那时我们 我们不太确定，但
we are we are
我们
sure on that murder side now we've kind
确定是谋杀案，现在我们
of got a lot more sort of evidence
得到了更多的证据，
there's a split of the jury who kind of
陪审团的意见出现了分歧，他们
are on that sort of leaning to that man
倾向于那个男人，
sort of side yeah it just seems a lot of
是的，看起来
people you know are really fixed on
你知道，很多人都
their
views how long do you lose control for
固执己见，你会失去控制多久，
what's the time on it can it be for a
时间是多少，是一天吗，
day can it be for a minute can it be for
是一分钟吗，是
two minutes or do you know anyone that's
两分钟吗，或者你知道有谁
lost control yeah I have but when when
失去控制了吗 是的，但是当
it when I did it was it was quick 30
我这样做的时候，它每分钟只有 30
seconds a minute maybe you're suddenly
秒，也许你突然
like oh you know I think I feel like
觉得，哦，你知道，我觉得
that's enough 30 seconds that is a long
这已经足够了 30 秒，这是一段很长的
time people can test you and test your
时间，人们可以测试你，测试你的
character push you to your limits you
性格 把你推到你的极限你
see
看到了
that see you guys see you see
吗看到你们看到你们看到
you when I was a bit younger I was out
你们当我年轻的时候我
with a group of friends there was an
和一群朋友出去
altercation that happened between me and
我和另一个女人发生了争吵，
another female this female decided to
这个女人决定
scratch me across my whole face leaving
抓伤我的整个脸，让
my face bloody
我的脸和头都血迹斑斑，
in my head I wanted to inflict the same
我想让
pain on her that she inflicted on me but
她也遭受她对我造成的同样的痛苦，但
my decision was just to walk away with
我的决定只是走开 和
my
我的
friends if I stayed in that situation I
朋友们在一起如果我继续处于那种情况，我
might have done something I would have
可能会做一些我会
regretted I do have a brotherhood around
后悔的事情我确实有一个兄弟情谊在
me that can help me it looks like that's
我身边可以帮助我看起来这就是
what was missing for
John he didn't have his friends and
约翰所缺少的，他身边没有朋友和
family around him to help him out of
家人 帮助他摆脱
this situation and he lashed
这种困境，他猛烈抨击
out morning morning hi everybody hi uh
早上好早上好大家好呃
Leo do you want do you want a coffee I
Leo你想要一杯咖啡吗
have I've honestly I've got no idea at
我有老实说我根本不知道
all I think about it at the worst times
我在最糟糕的时候想到它
when I'm going to bed my brains going
当我上床睡觉的时候我的大脑
round and round and round man s to
不停地思考着男人要谋杀
murder man s to
男人要谋杀
murder as the prosecution case draws to
随着控方案件的
a
close the defense have a final
结束辩方有最后一次
opportunity to present character
机会为约翰提供品格
statements for
陈述
John are you happy to stand or sit As
你高兴站着还是坐着随
You Wish oh oh thank
你便哦哦谢谢
you
I think we all understand this can't be
我想我们都明白这
very e easy for you so if you want a
对你来说并不容易，所以如果你想
break you just say all right thank
休息一下，你就说好的谢谢，
you we know that he had a former partner
我们知道他有一个前伴侣
Joe yes with whom he had two children is
乔，是的，他和他有两个孩子，是
that right yes as to the care of the
吗 是的，至于照顾
children how would you describe your
孩子，您如何描述
son's approach to that please just in a
儿子在这方面的做法？请从
broad sense for us please it's it's it's
广义上讲，这是
the center of his life he's a devoted
他生活的中心，他是一个尽职尽责的
father and all his attention is is to
父亲，他所有的注意力都集中在
the care of his
照顾他的孩子上。
children there came a time that he met
孩子们，有一次他遇到了
Helen then Helen Smithson and she was to
海伦，然后是海伦·史密森，她
become his wife we heard that he got
成为了他的妻子，我们听说他
into financial difficulties did you
陷入了经济困境，你
become aware of those financial problems
知道这些经济问题吗，
he uh he told me that he was that he was
他告诉我他
in financial trouble and that he was
陷入了经济困境， 他
going to go to the bank to ask him for a
要去银行向他借钱，
loan of money
yes did he explain to you anything about
是的，他有没有向你解释过
where the money had been going he told
钱的去向？他告诉
me that his expenses had escalated since
我，自从他和海伦在一起后，他的开支就不断增加，
he'd been with Helen and that his
而且他的
wedding expenses had escalated far
婚礼 费用已经远远超出了
beyond anything he had
他的
expected is he a person who tells
预期，他是一个说
untruths I've never known him to tell a
假话的人，我从来不知道 他
lie as a child or as a man have you ever
在小时候或成年后撒过谎吗？你有没有
seen anything in your son to suggest
看到你儿子身上有任何迹象表明
that he's capable of violence towards
他有能力对
others never never in any way towards
他人施暴？绝不以任何方式对
man or woman
男人或女人施暴，
no man or animal
无论是男人还是动物，
right and the sort of violence that's
以及
occasioned that we've heard
由此造成的暴力类型 我们
about but so far removed from the kind
听说过，但与
of person that he
他这样的人相去甚远，
is I don't understand it at all and I
我完全不理解，我
know that he still has no understanding
知道他仍然没有理解，
of it
right thank you very much indeed thank
对吧，非常感谢，确实感谢
you members of the jury there are now a
你们成员 陪审团现在有
number of character references that I'll
几份品格证明，我将
read
读
out the first is from Darren chesington
出第一份来自达伦·切辛顿，
Helen moved in with John and just a few
海伦搬去和约翰同居，
months after that he told me they were
几个月后，他告诉我他们要
getting
married I couldn't help but think this
结婚了，我不禁想这
was a bad
是 这是一个坏
idea she'd been very honest with me in
主意，她过去曾坦诚地告诉我，她
the past about not being physically
attracted to John I went to the wedding
对约翰没有身体上的吸引力。我参加了婚礼，很
and was surprised to not see more Jon's
惊讶在那里没有看到更多乔恩的
friends there seemed like all the guests
朋友。似乎所有客人中只有
by three or four people were friends of
三四个人是海伦的朋友
Helens I'm aware of how manipulating
我知道海伦是多么善于操纵别人，
Helen could be and I felt then as I do
我当时和现在都觉得，
now
that she was isolating him from his
她正在把他和他的
friends I think she did this so people
朋友们，我认为她这样做是为了
wouldn't see what was going on between
不让人们看到他们之间发生了什么
them John is a very caring honest man
约翰是一个非常有爱心的诚实的人，
but sometimes doesn't see people for who
但有时他看不到人们的真面目
they
are your honors page four Analise Hart
荣誉第 4 页 Analise Hart
in the weeks leading up to Helen's death
在 Helen 去世前几周
I didn't see as much of him and it
我没怎么见到他，
sounded like he wasn't doing so
听起来他过得不太好，
well
joh had become a bit isolated and
withdrawn in those last few weeks I've
在过去的几周里，约翰变得有点孤僻和沉默寡言，我
learned that
了解到
Helen didn't want him to associate with
海伦不想让他和
his
音乐联系在一起 ]
friends Don is in no way violent or
朋友唐绝不会以任何方式暴力或
angry or in any way predisposed to
愤怒，或以任何方式倾向于
commit such a crime your honors page
犯下这样的罪行法官大人
eight uh the statement is from Helena
第八页呃声明来自海伦娜
and
和
Maris I felt uncomfortable with John and
玛丽斯我从一开始就对约翰和海伦的关系感到不舒服
Helen's relationship from the
start John spent all his
约翰把他所有的积蓄都花在了
savings his business family home started
他的生意上 家庭住宅开始
to fall
apart as far as I can tell John's World
分崩离析据我所知约翰的世界在
a very short space of time was
很短的时间内被
completely
彻底
destroyed page 18 after 18 further
摧毁第18页在18个进一步的
character statements the last is John's
人物陈述之后最后一个是约翰的
sister I've known my brother my whole
妹妹我认识我哥哥
life and we've always been
一辈子了，我们一直
close I would say in many ways as his
我想说在很多方面我都接近他，因为
little sister I know John better than
我知道他是我妹妹 约翰比
anyone
else I was not supportive of his
任何人都好我不支持他和
marriage to Helen I didn't think that
海伦结婚我不认为
she was a good match for him I suspected
她适合他我怀疑
the relationship wouldn't last that she
这段关系不会长久她
would leave once she had spent his money
会离开一旦她花光了他的钱
and broke his
,伤了他的
heart when I got the phone
心当 我接到
call to say that Jon had been arrested
电话说乔恩
for attempted
因
murder I could not have been more
谋杀未遂而被捕，我非常
shocked I've never known John to have
震惊，我从来不知道约翰有
any violent impulses at
任何暴力冲动，
all I can only conclude that the
我只能得出这样的结论：
circumstances in the home he lived with
他和海伦住在一起的家庭环境
with Helen must have put him under the
一定让他承受了
most extraordinary
极大的
strain his incredible
压力，他的
patience must have endured more than
耐心一定比大多数人承受的要大，
most people would
have and I
我
wonder if because of
想知道是不是因为
that when he eventually
这个，当他最终
snapped the loss of control was all the
崩溃时，对音乐的失控才
greater for
更加严重，
it after 6 days all the evidence in the
6天后
trial of John risale has now been
现在已经听取了对约翰·里塞尔审判的证据，
heard what do the character witness
证人的
statements reveal about John he was
证词揭示了约翰的什么性格，他是一个
nasty definite
卑鄙无耻的
murderer what court room was you
凶手，你在哪个法庭，
in he must have felt so panicked with
他一定对
her spending his money that must have
她花他的钱感到非常恐慌，这
been really frightening for
对他来说一定非常可怕
him he was wasn't a bad fell and loads
他不是一个坏人，和很多
of different types of people that's a
不同类型的人，这是一个
load of bollocks that is a load of
很大的 胡说八道，这完全是
bollocks and you know it you can't have
胡说八道，你知道你不能拿到
all those witness statements and then go
所有这些证人证词，然后
out allegedly oh he must he must have
出去，据称，他一定是
gone out and paid someone a few hundred
出去付了几百
quid to get a lot of mates of his what I
英镑给别人，让他的很多朋友
meant was I could go and kill my wife
意思是我今晚可以去杀了我的妻子，
tonight and I'd get some fantastic
我会得到一些很棒的
reference because I've gone out to help
参考，因为我出去帮助
people I've been really
别人，我一直很
nice every voice has got to be heard you
善良，每个人的声音都必须被听到，你
can't just shut someone down because
不能只是让某人闭嘴 因为
they believe someone's not
他们相信某人
guilty and you think they're guilty cuz
无罪，而你认为​​他们有罪，因为
at the end of the day I'm not going to
到最后我不会
turn around and think to myself oh I'll
回头想，哦，我会
let him off because he's such a good guy
放过他，因为他是一个好人
and he didn't mean it really so we give
，他没有 不是真的，所以我们给
him a less sentence I'm saying no one
他一个较轻的刑罚，我是说没有人
actually knows or did I can just have to
真正知道或者我只能
sitting there through that then say
坐在那里，然后说
allegedly I can say now from those
据称我现在可以从那些
witness statements he sounds like a
证人的证词中说他听起来像一个
lovely fell I think though a lot of
可爱的人，我想 很多
people have an edge some people hide
人都有自己的优势，有些人会隐藏一些
things we have to be able to discuss
东西，我们必须能够
that as a grp
作为一个团体来讨论，
like not just say you're
就像 只是说你
wrong we all heard the same thing but
错了我们都听到了同样的事情但
people are still entitled to go but no
人们仍然有权去但不
that's what we're here for that's the
这就是我们在这里的目的这就是
whole point of a
jewry there's definitely more of a
犹太人的全部意义现在
divide in the room
房间里的分歧肯定更大了
now some of the others are
其他一些人
so headstrong on manslaughter and it
在过失杀人问题上他们如此固执己见，
feels like they're getting annoyed with
感觉他们对
us for thinking
我们认为
murder which I don't think is fair
谋杀感到恼火，我认为这不公平，
I don't know if I would want to be Tried
我不知道我是否愿意
by the jurors in this case I don't
在这个案子中接受陪审团的审判，我不
know so I guess going back to the
知道 我想回到这个
question has his character references
问题，他的性格特征
swayed anyone's
是否影响了任何人的
decision this was so out of character
决定，这太不符合他的性格了，
did he just lose
他是否只是失去了
control are we judging him based on him
控制，我们是根据他的性格来判断他，
as a character or based on the deed I
还是根据他的行为来判断，我
would say the deed oh do know if I'm
会说是行为哦，不知道如果我 如果
basing it on the deed I would lean
根据行为，我会
towards murder if I was basing on the
倾向于谋杀 如果根据
character I'd lean towards manslaughter
角色，我会倾向于过失杀人 是
yeah cuz I don't think he's a bad person
的，因为我不认为他是一个坏人，
he done a bad
他做了
deed but he has to pay because the bad
坏事，但他必须付出代价，因为
deed was very very bad it was
坏事 非常非常糟糕，非常
exem he must have some sort of good
糟糕 他身上一定有某些优点，
about him I just don't see how was pass
我只是不明白为什么判决结果会如此不公，
and take away uh from the verdict you
know as a jury I feel we're split it's
作为陪审团，我觉得我们意见分歧，
just I feel like there needs to be a
只是我觉得这其中需要
human element to it John is a nice guy
有人性因素 约翰是个好人
and he chose Helen to be that one that
，他选择海伦作为
he he loved and unfortunately that was
他爱的人，不幸的是，这是
downfall oh this is more serious right
垮台哦，这更严重，
the juries begin deliberation if I feel
陪审团开始审议如果我
passionate about something I will go gho
对某事充满热情，我就会去死，
cuz that's how I feel about it I think
因为这就是我 我觉得
it is now turned into like ego straight
现在它已经变成了像自我一样直接
up get in there I reckon Ollie will
进入那里我认为奥利将
always be murder and you'll always be
永远是谋杀而你永远是
mans will have a problem in it but will
男人会遇到问题但
their verdicts be the same do you find
他们的判决会一样吗你认为
the defendant guilty or not guilty of
被告有罪 或无罪
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